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Post by Swatz on Aug 4, 2013 17:35:05 GMT -8
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Post by tarz on Aug 7, 2013 12:12:45 GMT -8
I've attached the revised ship I've made below. The total mass for your original ship was 115.144. This is largely due to the extra X200-32 fuels tanks. They have a total mass of 18 a piece, which is a lot of mass to drag up once we empty them. Staging should alleviate some of the unused mass. Total mass for the revised (v1.4) ship is 104.8325. The reduction in mass is largely due to the decreased number of fuel tanks(3 instead of 4), as well as removing one BACC Solid Fuel Booster (SFB), which is the second most massive component in the build. I've replaced that one with 3 small RT-10 SFBs, which have a better thrust/mass ratio together than the single extra BACC SFB. I've got fuel ducts going from the small booster to the large to keep the large ones going for longer. I'm unsure if the ducts do boosters, but the mass increase per fuel line (.05x3) is so small it's a chance I'm willing to take. So mass wise: v1= 115.144 v4= 104.8325 For thrust, I've switched out the "Skipper" you had for a "Mainsail". The Skipper allows you to operate at maximum thrust, but has a top thrust of 650. The Mainsail has a maximum thrust of 1500, but is unstable beyond 75% thrust. Assuming that this 75% thrust effects all attached SFBs then it will drop the total thrust from them. However, even at 75% thrust (1500x.75) we get 1125 thrust alone, to the Skipper's 600 thrust. The mass difference is 2, so nearly a 50% increase for a 50% mass increase. The thinking behind this is to clear atmosphere as soon as possible. Drag and high g is the most expensive part of the exit from atmosphere, so we should leave atmo as soon as possible. So thrust wise: v1= 1595 v4= 2396.25 Where this really matters is our thrust/mass ratio, which shows a decent improvement. Also worth noting is that as the new craft loses fuel and empties tanks, it will discard them, keeping a lower mass for it's new lower thrust. Thrust/mass: v1= 13.85 v4= 22.86 As a side note, both craft are decent. The v1 achieved orbit without issue, but was just dragging a lot of unnecessary extra weight. The switching of the skipper for a mainsail was also large, due to the high thrust of the mainsail. As well, that mass difference when compared with all the fuel we're taking up is minor. v4 cannot operate beyond 75% thrust due to the mainsail, but the mainsail/RT-10s more than accounts for the difference. Attachments:The Nova v1_4.craft (38.61 KB)
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Post by tarz on Aug 7, 2013 12:13:10 GMT -8
And yes, I went through 4 revisions of the craft before I got something I was happy with...
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Post by tarz on Aug 7, 2013 13:07:11 GMT -8
So, I was intrigued by the efficiency of the small RT-10 SFBs, so I built one using mainly RT-10s. It works quite well, and reaches an awesome altitude while still running initial booster sets (think I hit 40 km). Only restriction is heat. As before, mainsail so a limited thrust of 75%. Honestly I'm really surprised at the power of the little guys. They work well. Attachments:Microthrust v1.craft (48.21 KB)
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Post by tarz on Aug 7, 2013 14:08:01 GMT -8
So, taking the booster only rocket further, I made this. The SFB on a Stick. The idea is that your thrust remains constant, but your mass is constantly decreasing. Thus far, I've hit a top of 2000 m/s in atmo by removing the second tier of boosters after the tricoupler. This means that you run the risk of burning up on exit. Pretty cool. With the second tier in place, you hit a top speed of 6000 m/s with thrust on exit. As a word of warning, it bucks. You will need to fight it's spin the entire time it's lifting. Total mass of 89.2394. Mass will decrease per tier, thrust will decrease twice as we move from 6 booster to 3 boosters, to 1 booster. 7 stages on the rocket. I will do thrust to mass per stage. Stage 1: 18.99 Stage 2: 21.88 Stage 3: 14.08 Stage 4: 17.73 Stage 5: 24.39 Stage 6: 13.12 Stage 7: 33.30 So the last stage is god. Worth noting that it'd probably be better to move to simply just the triple rockets, as stages 6/7 are both using 1 thruster. This thing is all over the board for thrust. Nucking Futs. Attachments:SFB on a stick v2.craft (63.12 KB)
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