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Post by Pencil Stick on Jul 7, 2013 23:02:41 GMT -8
Hey all! On behalf of Leadership, I've written up and formalized a Code of Conduct for our outfit. It's basic stuff that everyone here should be, and probably is, doing. I've also done a bit of revision on the whole recruitment sticky cluster- none of that affects current members, obviously, but it does affect new recruits henceforth. Again, nothing major, but maybe something to be aware of. Everyone in our outfit, current and new members, should familiarize themselves with the Code of Conduct. Us Leaders will be referring to it when we fuck your shit up for being an asshole or whatever. The CoC can be found here: totalrecoil.boards.net/thread/1535/total-recoil-code-conduct-cocand the other stuff I talked about is in the stickies on the recruitment thread. Since the CoC thread is stickied and locked, feel free to give me any feedback you have here in this thread. It's not set in stone, and I'd be thrilled to incorporate good ideas, if you have any.
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Post by hops on Jul 11, 2013 17:03:26 GMT -8
I would like to weigh in on a couple of things here.
First, the verbiage in point 2 could use some refinement. I'm thinking that changing "Any disagreements..." to "Any personal disagreements..." might be sufficient. There are plenty of disagreements which are harmless and natural (perhaps even productive): cycler trv vs. tal, needler vs. rotary, hate the nc or vs more, etc. Unless there's been a "combat chat" call recently, I'm not going to let it go when someone says SRV was a better guitarist than Hendrix.
Now to a more complicated issue: the idea of "mature, adult players". I had to check a few definitions of "mature" today. In the strict sense of physical development, some people might be mature at 18, but few. When it comes to psychological development, which I think is more important in this context, and if we want to set an arbitrary value, we really need to set a bare minimum age somewhere around 25. I'm thinking more like 30 with exceptions down to 25. Perhaps local drinking age plus seven years would be a good way to go here for people in the U.S. Not sure how to apply that to ferners.
We probably need to exclude anyone between 35 and 45 who is unattached and employed by someone else. No one is more immature than a dude in the throes of a mid-life crisis. We probably have to omit anyone who rides a motorcycle, especially if they're a parent. Maybe we could take a minimum $50k in an investment portfolio as a sign of maturity. Probably shouldn't allow any beer drinkers. Liquor and wine are "mature" drinks. Beer is for college kids.
The ultimate criteria might ought to be "do you play video games for fun?" Many would consider that a definite sign of immaturity.
One last thing: there is something beautiful about someone named "Pencil Stick" (formerly "Pencil Prick" and "Pencil Dick") telling me to keep it classy.
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Post by hops on Jul 11, 2013 17:05:07 GMT -8
If you chuckle when sounding out "the TxR CoC", you might be immature.
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Post by Pencil Stick on Jul 11, 2013 18:53:41 GMT -8
I do completely agree with your interpretation of the CoC. Everything on that list goes through the filter of us leaders before it's applied to any members. So, it's not really "any immaturity" or "any disagreement" we're looking for, in practice, but just the stuff that's problematic.
The purpose of the CoC, in my mind, is to have something concrete to refer to when problems arise. Nothing in there is new, and we're not calling for any real *change* in behavior. It's just that, we all sort of knew how we were supposed to behave, but it wasn't really written down anywhere.
I've also been asked to create a conflict resolution guide, a more "internal use" document that outlines exactly how leadership should respond to any given problems that arise, so that we can be consistent about that, too. Right now, it's neither finished, nor public. When we do all agree on something concrete, I'll be pushing to make it public. That way, everyone in TXR can see both the CoC, and exactly how leadership intends to interpret and enforce it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 18:55:34 GMT -8
Hops, I think you have some valid point. SRV was good but Hendrix good? I am with you on that.
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Post by Pencil Stick on Jul 11, 2013 19:18:26 GMT -8
NO ARGUING ALLOWED YOU ARE ALL B&
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Post by hops on Jul 11, 2013 19:23:41 GMT -8
"some valid point"? as in "I like all your hit song"?
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Post by snoggy on Jul 11, 2013 23:29:58 GMT -8
I think these should be posted by someone who plays planetside2 and fills the boots of leadership, rather than being a forum warrior.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 6:21:40 GMT -8
Hops, more like much of what you say has been part of the background of this whole mishigas and I am glad someone else is saying it as well. The whole "Maturity" thing is a loaded basket of verbal landmines. I think it is more accurate to say, though perhaps linguistically less compact, the ability to adhere to a social compact.
TxR as a group has a rep for being the place where folks get second, third, fourth and nth chances. Many of the other outfit leads I have talked to seem to go more with the approach of cutting early those who are not willing or able to not pewp on others experiences.
Most of the CoC (and yes, I have guffawed at that so mark me as such) is pretty much how we have been rolling since day one. It is simply a codification of the basic common sense guidelines of Do Unto Others /Be Excellent To Each Other.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 6:29:19 GMT -8
Snoogy, these are not just for PS2 but pretty much for any activity we do as an outfit. Maybe the wording needs to be less PS2 specific but the basic concepts hold true if you are playing Minecraft with the outfit or most any other activity. Basicaly do not pewp on others experiences. On the Minecraft server that means, in part, No Griefing . This is something that I set out right from the get go and has been upheld from day one.
Also, Pencil is part of the leadership here. He took the notes during the meeting that came up with this and so he was the one who posted it. If Talron, Changes, Patty or myself posted it nothing would be any different.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 7:12:30 GMT -8
Which is not to say the CoC will not change. I for one want to see it be less PS2 specific. Most good documents tend to morph over time and with experience, I bet the CoC will as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2013 10:57:40 GMT -8
I have taken a stab at reworking the CoC given what I have read about here and some conversations I have had with some of you on TS. Give it a read and let us know what you think.
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Post by FortySixandTwo on Jul 13, 2013 19:27:12 GMT -8
I have taken a stab at reworking the CoC given what I have read about here and some conversations I have had with some of you on TS. Give it a read and let us know what you think. Succintly written, while conveying the pertinet information and persaive attitude of the outfit. Something that can easily and consistently pointed to when the men children are naughty.
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Post by mlane16 on Jul 17, 2013 19:33:11 GMT -8
I look pretty good so far ^_^.
One suggestion, I had is maybe we can be more specific about the time or place to talk about store suggestions and other conversations that are not strictly... well-game related. Like maybe all cert layout questions be in outfit chat or something?
What do you guys think?
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Post by Pencil Stick on Jul 17, 2013 19:38:53 GMT -8
I think it's a safe bet that you can use text chat for anything you want, within reason. Voice comms are our primary thing, and that's what we need to keep clear. Short of that, just use good judgement.
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